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I'm going right now to the phones to bring
on someone who has been a friend of the
show since it's beginning Dr. Jordan Vaughan is the
chief executive officer at med health clinics he's also
a specialist in internal medicine I got his degree
from UAB where he also did his internships as
residency as his clinics are all over the Birmingham
area and he is also a very involved one
of the founders of an organization called concern doctors
they they have they have literally been making sure
that the world hears that the mantra is coming
out of government regarding health are not always accurate nor
they needed but then at the same time he's
also he's he's a true doctor he's not out
there denying anything he's working with all the things
his patients need as opposed to what the government
says has to happen there's a heck of an introduction
let me bring him on Dr. Jordan Vaughan how
are you doing today thanks Phil absolutely what appreciate
you being here today making some time for us
I gotta ask you I mean you've been on
the show multiple times and you've always given us
a straight skinny first of all President Biden has
Covid what are you seeing as a dock right
now with your own clinics or is there a
spike in Covid going on right now is that
is the new variant causing increases yeah I mean
I will tell you it's interesting because with the
answer of omicron it was among most people that
mass severity of disease was not significant you know
kind of really coming out of kind of the end
of December and beginning of January but it started
to be probably about four weeks ago we started
to see the 70 and 80 -year-old population which
by the way from the CDC 's own assessment
is probably only 30 % of them had Covid
that these people were showing up after having antiviral
therapies like packed and they were still they were
having more significant disease and I had seen in
probably the previous six months and so to me
that was concerning now the interesting thing it was
backed up by a recent pre- pre- print paper
that looked at that for some reason BA four
and five which are these omicron variance that have
come along that kind of adapted the ability to
suppress a humans innate immune response and basically that
sounds like somebody breaking into your house and the
actual fire being near the fire alarm not going
off I guess it doesn't mean that you can't
put out the fire but the first response is
it isn't being activated like it should wow OK
so once again Covid adapt itself and find its
own way to survive but because that's what viruses
do I guess really you have done the show
before that the goal of every viruses to stay
alive and find a hose to maintain itself and
so it continues to do that I guess in
the natural course of events are you any more
worried right now about the levels of Covid or
the severity of the symptomology with Covid as you
know as it was two years ago I'm not
in terms of it you know what I would
say is hospitalization or anything like these patients that
were sick and had significant vascular changes and what
I would call endothelial injury which would be really
what Covid is I mean one of the things
that I think a lot of people have underappreciated is that
the way we treated Covid in the first probably
six months of this whole pandemic was we treated
it like it was a typical viral pneumonia and
the problem was every time we did that it
didn't really act like that and what most of
good scientist and good pathologist have realized is that
in reality this disease is a mostly an endothelial
vascular disease that's what causes the damage that's why
you get strokes heart attacks you know all of
the clotting mechanisms are really the issue so again
knowing that the hypoxemia and the hypoxic stuff which
basically means low oxygen you know your oxygen fats
on your finger we haven't seen that come back
to the point that you have to go to the
hospital but it doesn't change the fact that people
are having a significant symptoms that are fairly debilitating
and again I'm I'm one of these people that
don't believe the government you know when the government
thinks about your life what they actually think about
is whether you're exchanging oxygen most of you as well as
all your listeners realize that exchanging oxygen every day
is not even really important and what you do
because how you evaluate whether you're living or not is
not whether you exchange oxygen is whether you're going
to work being with your family all those kind
of things well yeah true that life life is
life and and the quality of life matters but
let me let me ask you this first of
all if you could tell us real quickly I
mean we hear that you even mentioned a moment
ago the president is currently on Pax Lovin I'm
not familiar with Pax Lovin it first I might've
heard of it but you just mentioned it yourself
what what is that globe is a an inhibitor
of one of the enzymes that allows the virus
to replicate within the cell so basically you would
know is an anti- viral and antivirals or things
that probably people you know I've heard about the
past bow tracks for herpes or you know Tamiflu
for influenza it does it a little bit differently
but that's what it does interestingly enough I actually
was involved in the original phase toothpaste three studies
four packs loaded and one of the criteria for
being in the study was that you we're not
vaccinated which does have an interesting component to whether
it's actually useful in those that are double vaccinated
and double boosted so wow that I think is the
big question and I think that's why when we
see Anthony Fauci as well as the secretary of the human
health services the Sarah both have rebound you start
to worry about even our president having those issues
as well wow it just keeps compounding well so
let me ask you this whether you thought she
was vaccinated or not the fact that rebound is
probably confirmed that you vaccinated again I mean we're
using a medicine on people that would've been excluded
from the trial and that is a in tip
I mean that doesn't mean that a doctor can't
make that assessment that this will be useful but
it does mean that the outcomes that are put
forth from the results of a trial are not
necessarily the same outcomes that you would have if
you give it to somebody who wasn't included in
that truck yeah it does let me let me flip over
to another question here in the last a few few
minutes we have together so right now we're starting
to see an increase in peoples you know even
media punts for that matter non- medical media pundit
calling for a remaking of society even our owned
Alabama Department of public health this morning put out
a tweet that that's encouraged people to normalize masking
and just put the mask on Cedar Rapids Iowa just
mandated masking in public facilities San Diego school systems putting
mass back on kids your thoughts I think the
honesty about mask appeared in November with the omicron
even the most harden proponent of mask said it
doesn't work with omicron so now we have omicron
BA four and five which are more infectious in
the omicron that was talked about in November now
Phil I mean you're a reasonable guy if they
didn't work in November obviously they didn't even work
previous to that but even the proponents of mass
said they didn't work in November because this thing
is so dang infectious do you think something that's
even more infectious that master are going to work
I thank you I mean that's that's that's my point
here I am a non- medical professional I didn't
even stay at a Holiday Inn express last night and
that was a conclusion I was drawing from it
but but yeah exactly in November it's infectious that
don't even work OK good well this now be
a 5 4 5 this summer is even more
infectious so let's add math you know I mean
it's it is the only benefit from masking in
public would be that maybe that you're giving a
signal that you recognize that there is infection going
on the ability for those mass to prevent or
really you know inhibit the ability for the virus
to do what the heck he wants is is
not not involved in putting it over your mouth
might as well put a Ukraine cross on your
left arm which is a whole other story right I'll
tell you the same thing yeah it's virtue signal
creed in terms of medical usefulness in terms of
a intervention that is not something more infectious than
Anthony Fauci admitted in November that the omicron itself
these these crawlspace mask do not work for this
thing because it's so infectious now I would we
can stipulate that they work previous but you know
we can best in increasingly debatable and I would
debate on the opposite side of our great Saint
Fauci the fact that something is even more infectious
than it was in November December just you know
strange credulity I mean it's you're talking about I
mean it's at this point the credibility of our
medical authorities I mean I guess they don't have
any left to to lose but at this point
they're just continuing to lose even more well so
let me ask you one more question Doc because
you know for the last 2 1/ 2 years
the drum beat aside from masking and social distancing
and the other terms we learned was contact racing
and yesterday when they announced that the president had
Covid you know Karine Jean Pierre who has his
glass ceiling breaking press secretary was asked where was
he infected first of all that the White House position
had no idea and her response was it doesn't
matter I thought we had to go back and
tell everybody in the world that we've been with
in the previous three days that we had Covid
and contact tracing was so important what your thoughts
on their response I mean when you actually look
at what happened the testing at the what I
would call standard a bear which would be the
kind of molecular test wasn't what even he was
going through he was doing the rapid antigen test
of habit which have a high false positive and a
high false negative but also they kind of are
are you delayed in terms of when they actually
turn positive so I would argue and actually I
think Marty McCarrey argues that he probably had to
three or four days so probably probably we was
fist bumping the salty prints yeah exactly so at least
I guess his doctor supposedly did recommend he didn't
check anybody's pants but I'm pretty sure the video
showed different that he shaped everybody's hand except the
guy this month but maybe his doctor at least was
correct on that but it's interesting to realize that
we spent two years spending an ordinary amount of
money in time contact racing yet the president there's
no contact so I'm not a physician like you
but we have reached the same conclusions Dr. Jordan
Vaughan I appreciate you as always you've been a
frequent flyer on this show and and certainly a
friend of the show and we appreciate you being
on today and have a great weekend sir enjoy
it Phil and thanks for what you do all right
thank you man all right boomer take us to a
break what a great interview I love having him
on the show I mean he always brings that
practical I mean by the way folks are out
there there's people out there right now treating Covid
in the medical world who are as conservative right
side Ruffins as you and I they're out there
all right listen we're gonna go ahead and take a
break come right back I'll wrap this segment up
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and just plain right hey by the way that
interview with Dr. Vaughn a moment ago that he's
he's a part of that group called concern doctors
and if you wanna know more about them and
they're they're all Alabama physicians and other medical providers
who who they're not they're not playing around they
they're treating they're treating Covid in a true and
reasonably certain way all right you heard him talk he's
he's not a nut job but he's also one
of those who is willing to say hey government
maybe I'm the doctor remember that I'm the one
who went to med school and and you know
what he's had an amazing success rate along with
his other doctors in the group concerned doctors you
can find out more about them at concern doctors
.org that's their website concern doctors .org they're also
on social media and I'm not telling you he
comes on this show every time he does he
provides the ability to hear somebody who's an ex
not just me like a I'm a radio punt
right what do I know I'm not a doctor
I'm just telling you what I feel like I'm
seeing and think what I'm seeing he gives it
straight concerned doctors .org is where you can find
out more about them and there's other guys in
that group like Dr. Michael Brown and Dr. Stewart
Tankersly I mean I know all these guys and
they're just wonderful so check them out concern doctors .org
I gonna wrap this up here with a little
bit more stuff because one of the things that
I think is important to note is the Covid
madness aside from the fact that there are you
know there are calls right now to remastered Society
there are calls right now to to push us
back into some type of pandemic mindset they realize
that that you know 0 0 hang on second
they're not scared anymore they're they're not they're not
as fearful they're not responsive like they were before
why is that maybe it's because we realized we're
gonna get through this and I know it was
I know it was scary society society when I
began to say at one point on this show
there are times when the fear of Covid became
bigger than almost like the symptomology of Covid now
when I say that I do not want to
minimize the fact that I know people personally that
have been negative negatively and I know people have
had long Covid I know folks who have lost
people from Covid and and and that's that's a
big deal and so I'm not I'm not trying
to mitigate or minimize the fact that that has
happened yes it has but when you look at
the vast majority of society the survival ability rate
has been far higher than the media would ever
want you to understand and now the very idea
that we are in a place where while it
might be more transmissible the symptomology even according to
Dr. Vaughan and other experts like him is is
even more survival than it was before is it
is it is like getting the flu potentially a
friend of mine who got it the other day
he and I are the same age roughly and
it was like a bad cold and his wife
who lives in the house with him never even
got it I don't know how to explain that
all I'm saying is we're gonna get through this
and the calls for your Covid madness to go
ahead a mask up society to Alabama Department of
public health how about you use my tax dollars
or something a little better to tell people it's
time to normalize masking masking is not normal it's
just not masking is not normal so that being
said how about some other things like what is
happening with the fact that you know the contact
tracing thing well how about the whole quarantine thing
well here's an article from Fox dated yesterday Kamala
Harris traveling in North Carolina deemed to have been a
Biden close contact but no schedule changes according to
the White House what does that mean that means they're
not real worried about it that means life goes
on you see this is leadership right here right
OK if they're gonna say they're the leaders that
we have to have to understand when we pay attention to
what they say and do and when they don't
care where he got it cause they're not worried
about contact tracing and when they don't care that
Kamala Harris is one of his close contacts and
she's straight out the door for meetings in North Carolina
without lotta I say so about it well that
seems to indicate that I don't know maybe things
are a little different so hey Alabama Department of
public health masking is not normal get over yourself
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