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in a minute we're gonna pick up this conversation
with John Barganier he's a president CEO of manufacturer
Alabama they're an organization that does lobbying and association
work on behalf of the manufacturing sector throughout the
state and we got we got a bit of
an issue all right we have the best unemployment rate
and yet one of the worst labor force participation
rates what can we do for workforce development how
can how can we up the game well the
folks who care are the ones who need the
people and that be manufacturer Alabama so we'll talk
to him here momentarily y'all stay tuned we will
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he Mississippi all thrown in just for good measure
we got one of the joys of my job
by the way like this morning I got a
chance to be with somebody that I had served
within the Senate and and then I still see
people but what are the joys of this job
right here on the radio they're like one of
the side perks I guess is that I get
a chance to interact with people that I used
to like work with on a daily basis in
my legislative days but I don't have to wear a
coat and tile all the time so that being
said I am I am really pleased to bring
on somebody who thoroughly enjoyed working with in the
past John Barganier is now currently the presidency CEO
of manufacturer Alabama and he's been there in this
position since November 20 2 3 but he's actually
been at manufacturing now for the last several years
as a COO prior to that he was also
the executive Director before that of the American office
of the Alabama off of the American petroleum Institute lobby being
on behalf of the oil and gas industry which is fitting
since I'm doing a section on the green new
steel today he also spent 12 years working for
the state six of which was serving in the
governor 's office which is where I spent a lot of
time interacting with him aside from a few other things
we did during that time by the way he
was a legislative liaison he was a deputy chief
of staff ultimately he was chief of staff to
the governor and he's been a consultant five years
also in the state finance department I mean the
guy knows where all the bones are buried he's
also by the way he's conflicted because he has
a degree from the University of Alabama and the
MBA from Auburn but he's got a wife and
some great kids to keep him in line John
bargainer how are you doing man good afternoon I'm
doing great senator you'll always be centered to me
by the way so just I'm just a guy
with a microphone he gets to yell at Senator
lifestyle I'll give it to you I am but
I'm enjoying this gig but but yeah I met
what I said it's good to run into folks
that I used to see all the time you
and I you remind me before the show too
you and I actually first met before you were
at the governor 's office when we were looking
at downsizing government and you were one of the
ones consulting and putting together to help the plans
to literally streamlines to Alabama government back then yeah
you you had been elected in 20 10 correct
so I think around that time that was when
the big Republican wave kind of hit in the
state legislature in Alabama right guy named Delmar former
Senate pro Tim he comes to lead the lead
the efforts in the in the Senate and he
he charged a lot of you guys new members with some
some projects to find ways to eliminate a duplication
and state government and increase efficiencies and so I
happen to be on the consulting and working with
the state on that and I think you and
I worked on some projects around information technology and
streamlining a lot of that and we took on healthcare issues
in law enforcement and you know a lot of different areas
of state government it was great training ground I
like to think that we left the state better
than we we found it I believe that yeah
in fact I mean you know it's one of
those this is a sidebar total sidebar here but
when I was leaving office in 20 18 I
just know Charlene and I prayed about it and
thought you know I've been supporting a trip Pittman
with our our term limits bills you know every
year he's a former senator eight years that's what
we're gonna stop so you know I got out
at eight years but I was talking to a
reporter and he said Senator why are you leaving
like it was unheard of just go ahead and
say I'm not gonna stay by choice and I
said well because everything I ran on has been
done and that's a big part of that was
what you were I were working on was a
streamlining and the efficiencies that were not there and
they're still there's still so much room for improvement
right now but but Lord we found some places
where it was just massive redundancy yeah that's good
effort it was good stuff but so you're you're
with manufacturer Alabama right now and I want to
get into the labor force and in the workforce
development all that in a minute but so manufacturer
Alabama what do y'all do who do you cater
to how do you do your work talk about
that for sure and I'll give you a little
quick history so manufacturer Alabama was was established in
the mid 90s 19 9 6 my predecessor George
Clark started this organization as a traditional trade association
that represents advocates on behalf of the manufacturing industry in the
state which has exploded since 19 9 6 right
and where we're very blessed in the state to
have a variety of industry sectors but it started
off as the Alabama industries and manufacturing association and
ultimately evolved under the leadership of George in the
board into what is now manufacturer Alabama we have
two types of memberships it's kind of like any
other trade association it's like almost like a club
right you have the manufacturing companies that are members
they're the ones in Alabama with a presence who
are operating in manufacturing something making something and then
we also have partner members who are companies that
may do business with the manufacturing industry they may
be suppliers consultants legal support staffing support those types
of agencies and in companies as well and you
know one of the I'll look at us is
like a three legged stool in terms of the
focus one government affairs government relations we we have
a business friendly environment in Alabama there's no doubt
about it but yeah one of the best one
of the best we're blessed in that regard but
we don't take that for granted policy makers and
lawmakers still have to hear from us about impacts of
legislation on business and industry so that's one that's
one area focus another area focus is providing what
I would call best practices resources to our members
so if you think about a manufacturing company it's
like any other business you have people in charge
of HR communications finance safety and environmental that's a
huge aspect of a manufacturing facility all these different
individuals and so we have committee structures where an
individual who does HR and one company can meet
regularly with other HR professional professionals and manufacturing and
learn about what's coming down from DC you know
the health and safety folks what's coming down from
OSHA the environmental folks what's the latest from EPA
or ATM and so we try to create a
feedback loop in the best practices opportunity a table
where they can come in and learn how to
do their jobs more effectively so that's a second
and then the third is networking opportunities we want
our members to get to know each other we feel
like at the end of the day we have
a stronger industry when we're all on the same
page and when we have it we have a
great association our members are amazing but we're always
working in concert we're always heading in there in
the same direction together and that that's a blessing
cause we're able to pivot quickly we're able to
react to issues that come up whether good or
bad and we'll get into certain I know we'll
get into challenges here along the way in this
conversation but those are kind of the three prongs
of what we do among many other others but
you know at the end of the day we're
here to support and advocate on manufacturing so you
guys you guys see the gambit I mean we
have all kinds of manufacturing in the state of
Alabama a lot of folks don't realize that you mentioned a
minute ago with it it exploded since 19 9
6 when your association was formed but but the
reality is Alabama is known as a I mean
I mean I grew up and my granddaddy was
a steel worker and and we used to be
the Pittsburgh of the south well that those days
are fairly gone in that sector of manufacturing but
the automotive industry is huge here and tier one
and tier 2 levels even tier threes and then
what are some of the other major sectors of
manufactured that the boat building in our ship building
industry sure down in the ports what else we
got yeah automotive is number one yeah second is
still it is still the steel in iron industry
the metals industry we have chemical we have a
large chemical presence in the state both up in
the Decatur area as well as down in the mobile north
the mobile area aerospace is booming as well as defense around
the Redstone arsenal and Madison Huntsville area you have
all those those defense companies and I would lump
in Austel into that which is the ship building
company down in Mobile at the port we also
have Airbus who's building some of the world 's
best passenger airplanes down in the mobile area as
well I mean it it runs a gambit in
terms of of what we have in the state
and what I like to tell people when I'm
talking about manufacturing I truly believe this it is
representative of some of the best of what this
state has to offer because it represents 2 7 5,
000 hard-working men and women over a $40 billion economic
impact each year more than 20 % of our
states GDP last year alone the manufacturer goods made
up for more than $26 billion in exports which was
a record year and and so there's so much
going on and so much positive Alabama again being
a business friendly state having that reputation keeping groups
like ours keeping that that focus and keeping us
in line with with that business friendly expectation we've
been able to see you know more and more
economic development come our way you see companies leaving
states like California in New York right they're looking at
it states like Alabama Alabama Department of commerce Greg
Canfield 's been there 12 years and you know
Greg well and he's leaving at the end of
this year under his leadership and many other governors
leadership and and with the leadership of the private sector
involved I mean this state is has figured out
how to do economic development and what we do
as we try to support those companies when they
get here to provide resources and provide advocacy efforts
as well well we do have and we're gonna
take a break here in a moment but we
do have some there are a few things that make
and listen folks I'm just telling you this is
why you need to know what's happening in your
own state we talk about stuff on the national
level all the time and all that but you
have no idea sometimes what we've already got in
place that makes us gainful opportunity for folks who
were looking to relocate or for that matter expand
an existing business right here in the state it's
not just a matter of legislation sometimes it's things
like we have something called ATM another thing called
the A I D T both of Witcher designed
to help train like if you bring your your
workforce to the state of Alabama they'll they'll provide
you with training opportunities to get the workforce ready
for whatever it is you're planning to manufacture I'm
sure you guys interact with AIT and ATN all
the time the crucial partners for what we do
absolutely and AIT is really there when a business
comes comes to the state and helps them get
their workforce prepared right an ATM is their as
a as a as a backs stop a backbone
to help with businesses that are trying to recruit
they've been here for a while they're trying to recruit
employees they're looking at you know looking trying to
find ways to create rapid credentialing rapid training just
get people the basics so that they are higher
you know and I get into that too we
will listen I spent eight years in the Senate
there were things I learned that I'm thinking why
didn't I know this before and that's why we're
having this conversation because there's thousands of listeners out
there right now they have no idea 18 and
the Alabama technology network is actually doing things to
help get workforces ready for new openings or expansions
and existing plants or whatever the case may be
and then AIT stands for Alabama industrial training that's
right in industrial development training yeah and Ed Castillo
still runs that runs that they're an arm of
the Alabama Department of commerce which makes total it's
it's and then they do a lot of collaborative work with
the two-year college system that's where you can find
a lot of their outpost so and the others we're gonna
take a right right now is Jonathan Barganier president
CEO of manufacturer Alabama so we're gonna get into
this next like hey you want a job jobs
are out there it's a matter of wanting it
well apparently we have a problem with people wanting
it right now in Alabama and we're gonna talk
about labor for participation and how we can encourage
people back into that sector with workforce development y'all
standby Bill Williams right side radio will be right
back we are back Phil Williams Brightside radio solid
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sense like a superpower all right we're here in studio
right now with John Barganier who is the president
CEO of an organization called manufacturer Alabama there are
there are basically an association that that focuses primarily
on you might guess the manufacturing industry so here's
a couple of things from some stats I got
a piece from al .com hold your breath here
we go just so you know Alabama has one
of the best unemployment rates in the nation we're
down to 2 . 2 % that's like a
record however labor force participation rate is a different
category altogether and labor force participation rate is a
measurement of like how many folks 16 and older
are in the workforce actively seeking the opportunity to
be employed 5 7 . 4 % that's one
of the lowest in the country lowest in the
country this particular article says that we are at
5 7 . 4 % which puts us behind
West Virginia and Mississippi back in the 90s when you
said earlier John that I got 9 7 here
he said manufacturer Alabama was founded 9 6 I
think so in 9 7 Alabama 's labor for
participation rate was 6 5 % so we have
drop significantly even though you and I both know
that the manufacturing sector among others like Agravanis and
others have actually grown in Alabama but dammit post
pandemic we're still seeing people not fully coming back
to the workforce what I mean you got some
stats there what Hendricks are you seeing right now
oh man this is a big one it's the
single biggest challenge that any real business has in
the state and the people yeah finding people I
mean we still see help pointed signs we know
what the situation is like in retail and restaurants
and fast food and you know I hear about this
from the folks that represent small businesses across the state
is is their biggest challenge but we we hear
about it too and I mean we've always talked
about workforce development in this state and in creating
pipelines for individuals to come out of school whether that's
high school trade school four year with an opportunity there
have never been more opportunities and there are now
they're just not being filled and you mentioned 5
7 % but I like to do to emphasize
that as flip that on his head and say
4 3 % OK 4 3 % of the
working age population in the state are not looking
for jobs or they may have a barrier to
get a job and we can get into some
of that but that is that is a very
very significant number and I think a lot of what we
saw that the tidal wave of of all sorts
of assistance in things of that nature that came
along with Covid and then also the aging population
of our workforce I don't think we should we
should throw that away I mean we've seen an
exodus of the baby boomer population beginning it started really
just before Covid then it blew it took off
during that period of time they said all right I'm
going home I'm going you know trying to the
next chapter of my life and then the upcoming
generation it's in numbers it's just a numbers issue
we don't have as many workers in the new
generation to offset the number of workers leaving right
I think we always knew at some point that
might happen so I think we have a lot of different
things going on you know the workforce challenges are
are unique to end that I've heard and I
had a conversation the other the other day with
someone with a very large manufacturing company here in
the state talking about how the workforce not only
hiring and retaining but the individuals that they hire
it's never been more unique than it is now
in terms of their their knowledge base soft skills
training if you will you know understanding how to
communicate appropriately in the workplace coming back to work
every day passing drug test the you know are
obviously the jobs on on the on the factory
floor you know if you will our technical and
and he was saying that that there are a
number of employees when they come in they've never
changed a car tire bike chain car you know
car filter they don't have the basics of even
that so now we spent a lot of our time in
the industry training up the newest employees on just
the foundational aspects of what they're gonna do on
the day-to-day job well I think we see that
across the board military recruiting is down there's a lot of
things you can blame it all about one of
the things that is definitely there is that we
have a change in who is in the eligible
pool of recruits because they don't have the same
level of fitness or they don't have the same
level of you know they're all thumbs if you
will kinda like what you were describing they've never
done the mechanical things growing up it's been far
more of a technical or a online kind of
skill set those soft skills you talked about but
but nonetheless I mean there's still folks out there
but you mentioned something Covid happened and I know
we're about to go to a break but Covid
happened and a lot of people a lot of legacy knowledge in the
manufacturing sectors and others drop their papers and retired
went to the house getting those next folks in
the same ones you and I were just talking
about that next generation of folks to keep the
manufacturing sector going they can't work remotely they gotta
come in and do the job we'll talk about
some of the barriers we get back we gotta
remove some barriers it's coming down to with John
bargain or presidents CEO of manufacturer Alabama you want
a job folks I'm telling you you want a
job they're out there you can get trained up
for it they will take care of you Phil
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conversation right now this is by the way this
is a conversation is near and dear to my
heart I don't know if all of y'all care
about it the way I do but but I'll
be honest in my time in the Alabama legislature
one of my prime focuses became economic development it
was it was something that I was passionate about
the idea of bringing jobs to the state of
growing jobs in the state of keeping jobs in
the state and and then as a result of
that my very first committee that I cheered was
a committee on physical responsibility but I was able
to grow that committee with Senator marshes assistance it
became known as Fred it was a nickname Fred
we stood for physical responsibility and economic development and
it became one of the biggest committees in the
Alabama state Senate and we saw a lot of economic development
and workforce issues that came through there and that
was that was my passion so when I'm sitting
up here you know running this show the things
that I'm passionate about still come out one of
witches meeting right now with my friend John Barganier
for manufacturer Alabama so so John we got an
issue for those mood to be tuning in we
got a great unemployment rate but we got a
sorry labor force participation rate you and I is
kind of ran down some some things a little
while ago in the in the first segment but
all right so you guys in the manufacturing sector at
manufacturer Alabama what do you see as like true
impediments they keep people from I mean we know
they're not coming back to work cause our participation
rate sucks but what what are the things that
are keeping them from coming back and let me
start by saying this so it's even more sobering
the average annual salary in manufacturing in our state
in Alabama is $82,500 come on that is that's
a fact you can look it up I go
to law school our average salary just across the
board across all business in this state and all
work work workforce is 6 7, 000 so we're
we're well above that that state average so these
are good paying jobs they are an incredible career
opportunities a lot of upward mobility and a lot of training opportunity along
the way as well they'll take you I mean
you need to pass the drug test and show
up to work they'll train you and you come
to work every day and work hard this guy
is a limit in this in this industry I
truly believe that you mentioned barriers you already kind
of alluded to one that I'll just mention real
quick about flexibility you said that as we're going
to the commercial the flexibility is is a real
challenge for us because in a lot of different industries a lot of
different sectors businesses become more and more remote write
more and more virtual computer based people young folks
are now working from their kitchen table you can't
build a car from your kitchen to build a
car you can't build a cast-iron pipe you can't
develop chemicals you can't develop build an airplane without
being on the on the factory line right so
that is that's a huge huge hurdle for us
to overcome there's certainly office jobs in manufacturing too
with more flexibility but that that's a disadvantage at
the moment and I've heard that clearly from folks
at work in manufacturing yeah you can't do a
Zoom call and build a car you're not gonna
be building a car for our kitchen table yeah
there's no way to do that so but I'll
always like you know mention that I think I
think that's worth noting as it relates to the
disadvantages that we have as an industry and and
barriers to finding this next generation of workforce another
issue that it has become a real priority for
us is dealing with childcare all right so let's talk
about this a little bit I don't care about
your personal life I'm not talking about my childcare
yeah me and my wife 13 years ago and
we knew we were gonna have our first child
we the first thing we did was we looked
at each other so well you know we know how
much childcare 's daycare is gonna cost in this
community it's close to a mortgage payment like who's
gonna stay home you know is it worth it
for both of us to work and ultimately I
mean we're blessed we were able to continue to
work but you obviously make sacrifices I don't know
who all out there has looked at the cost
of childcare lately but it's it's pretty astronomical and
so that is become a real barrier for people
looking to actually won't go into the workforce especially
post Covid when a lot of times they change their kids
schooling sometimes they decided they needed to do something
different or that matter the suddenly the kids were
out of school what do I do now I can't
work so you had to have an alternative yeah
and so you know what what we have heard
and I'll tell you a quick background on why
in the world of manufacturing association gets involved in
childcare the reason is we were approached by some
of our members who were looking at childcare is
a real crisis like when they talk to job
applicants one of the questions that would come up
when they talked about you know salary and benefits
time off was do you offer a childcare option
I need a childcare option so they even considered
as a business building and owns site facility to
offer for their employees and they came back and
they were asking me one day I said you
know do you know of any is there any
tax benefits to that is there any incentives on
the books here in the state that might help
us offset some of the cost to get these
people employed but to have a childcare option and
we looked around in Alabama doesn't have anything like
that would surprises me because I don't know why
but I felt like we had something but you
would know you said we don't right now and
we have the dependent care credit right I guess
that's a couple thousand per per child you have
in your household OK there's foster credits and other
credits for children not on the not on the
daycare childcare side and so we started looking at
other states there's over 20 states in the country
that have something like this just about one of
them around the southeast habit and like we do
in policy as you know if we find good
ideas we don't mind stealing those instead of re-creating
the wheel we call that model legislator model legislator
modeling it so we looked at in particular state
of Louisiana they have a program it's a lot more
robust than what we're proposing but we took the
aspects that we knew worked there they've been doing
this for 10 or 12 years now and so
they have some data that shows with a credit
like this you can influence the labor force participation
rate right and that's what we're trying to do
we go it always goes back to that rate
if we can go from 5 7 to 5
8 % that's thousands and thousands new jobs in
the state it is but so OK so here's
one of the first things my listeners know this
is a physically conservative right so you and I
talked during the break briefly I wanna make sure
that we say right upfront we're not talking about
subsidize government you know healthcare childcare we're not we're
not putting together a dependency state you're talking about
an incentive opportunities an incentive that ultimately can also
help pay for itself overtime so the way it
works is a business and it's not a mandate
on any business a business could decide under if
if our legislation which were introducing this coming session
would pass a business could decide to offer a
childcare benefit to their employees who who need that
that could be an inform of a number of
ways but the way that it's typically used through
just a basic stipend to their employee just like
they'd offer an HSA or health healthcare they could
offer a benefit of some sort of financial amount
to the employee in an employee could use that
has to be its earmarked dis managed right like an
HSA they could use that in their community with
the childcare provider that is best for their child
and their family and then at the end of
the tax year the business can then turn in
for tax credit against the amount of resources they
spent on their employees childcare our bill has a
one-to-one dollar ratio right the legislature will probably look
at that differently and decide exactly what kind of
impact that would be to the education budget but
at the end of the day if you think
about it this way if we're trying to incentivize
this new generation to come to work and this
isn't a manufacturing bill it's a business bills for
all business small medium large there's no there's no
limit on how many employees you have if we're
trying to find a way to get all these
folks back into the workforce I think we have to
look outside the box and look at something different
that is an investment but also with every new
hire you're paying you're getting new payroll tax back
into the system too right yeah that works you're
increasing productivity increasing the workforce potentially and I can
tell you there's gonna be a couple things are
gonna come up or are there gonna be since
it's a since it's a tax credit from the
state and you have to claim it after the fact
so to speak is there gonna be any prohibition
against where it was used are they gonna are
they gonna require some kind of like a ban
on Christian daycare can the church daycare qualify any
childcare providers they have to be licensed by DHR OK
but that that is the majority of daycare providers
that can be in-home and yeah Alabama Department and
they have a quality standard too so it can
be in-home it can be your for-profit provider it
can be a nonprofit provider religious there's no exemption
they just need to be licensed by DHR of
M DHR that's gonna be one of the things
I think people are gonna care about is not
only not only is it there and is it
available but is it gonna be limited in scope
so that I can't ever go to the places
that I wanna be able to go there's gonna
be there's gonna be secular facilities that are like
Shane or organizations like KinderCare that has you know
chains of different then there's gonna be the Baptist Church
on the corner that has a great daycare that's
the beauty of the stipend if if the employees
just providing a stipend to you then as long
as you're using that for providing childcare to your
to your employee it doesn't matter at the end
of the day and and again you gotta understand
this is not an incentive for the business the
business and getting the tax credit unless they provide
a benefit to the employee so at the end
of the day the beneficiary of this is the
employee about a minute left here you're gonna cap
it is it gonna be we have currently the
way our draft legislation is it's at $15 million across
the state for all businesses out of the out of the
$8 billion billion with $1 billion education budget that's that's a
drop in the bucket but it could bring in
exponentially more in like you said payroll taxes and
everything else well what we're trying to do is
move the needle somewhat on that labor force participation
rate get people get the help on it signs
out of there get people on the factory lines get
people into businesses working being productive creating not only
an increased tax base but an increase economic impact
and ultimately make themselves free from any other subsidies
or anything any other support become become independent so
is that about the time here this break is
is that is that that bill coming up in
20 2 4 session in a few months yes who's
gonna carry do you know yet we've got two
and and we have this is a bipartisan effort
we have Senator Garland Gudger from Coleman yeah he's
been on the show he's a Republican Senator who's
gonna carry it Senate and representative Anthony Daniels who's
the house minority leader in the house this is
a our goal was to make this non- partisan
about the employee in labor force participation rate well
both those guys have been on this show and
of course Anthony Daniels is actually running for Congress right
now so all right listen we're gonna take a break
right now we'll come back for a final segment
with John bargainer President and CEO of the association
called manufacturer Alabama look we gotta get people back
to work how do you do it you don't
subsidize them you don't Molly Colm you don't pay
them to stay at home you find incentive to
get them back in the workforce how do we
get people back in the workforce right now in
Alabama if you want a job the jobs are
there we can put you to work tomorrow but
I'm just saying we need more people to step
up and do and how do we incentivize it
we'll talk more Phil Williams right side radio solid
conservative and just plain right and we are back
to Williams right side radio solid conservative and just
plain right just making it cool to be a
conservative hey listen we're gonna wrap up this conversation
with John bargainer he's the president CEO of manufacturer
Alabama they're an association they pretty much represents this
huge manufacturing sector we have in the Alabama economy
and yacht I don't know how many billions of
impact to the economy and 40 billion annually 40
billion annually just to Alabama that's that Alabama that
is that is amazing and I know you guys
see it and hear it and I mean the
economy being what it is there's been a whole
lot of bounce back in manufacturing nonetheless and which
has been great I'm sure the supply chains have
disruptions have impacted y'all in fact I even said
to you during the break knowing what like real
time logistics are for an automotive plant or something
like that supply chain disruptions I've got to be
recon havoc at times but we're seeing a bounce
back I guess yeah I mean I think where
it really became sobering was during the the wonderful
period called COVID-19 you know that whole situation the
pandemic I don't know if you recall I mean
I went to grocery stores and big box jeans
and stuff was just gone I mean Clorox was
just gone I mean things that obviously weren't being
manufactured because of some raw material or process that
we rely on overseas wasn't getting to us or
sitting out and shipping containers off the coast of
California remember those stories so what I'm hopeful and
I think is positive that came out of that is
there really is a strong movement to shore more
manufacturing back out to America domestically and and to
not rely so much on a global supply chain
and I think Alabama is extremely poised to gain
I agree with that right we have a warm
water port we have rail we have an intercept
system kind of geographically located in the hot bed
of of growth in the United States is bless us
with the incredible rivers I mean just everything here
in the state and we have wonderful people you
know we talk about this workforce issue we just
gotta we gotta encourage and we gotta get more
people coming out in one of the things that you and I were
talking about during another break cause apparently we talk
a lot during the brick is is the bill that
representative Daniel when you said his name it reminded
me of the bill that he had that he
came on the show and talked about this past
session that basically brought tax relief for folks who
were willing to work overtime so all your overtime
wages the state dropped its income tax off of that
portion of your earnings and first of all I
thought that was genius but secondly I was pleased
to hear cause I'll back up and predicate what
I'm about to say with this a lot of folks don't
realize that when they hear the associations they think
of things like the teachers you know you guys
are nothing like that in fact y'all helped lobby
for or advocate for that tax relief bill which
I thought was pretty cool yeah and that that
was a novel idea that had never been done
anywhere else in the country Democrat I fully expect
that we will see that same model legislation move
its way around a lot of different at least southern states this
coming year as they go into session I think
Alabama is gonna set the tone for that kind
of that kind of idea and what I mention
you in the break is I see that overtime
bill is as a a real supplement to this
workforce shortage if we don't have enough people coming
in to work and fill all the spots we
have to have people they're working more hours right so
this just puts more money in their pocket at
the end of the day it incentivizes those that
are willing to work overtime to do so and
not get taxed by the state I think it's
genius I will say the legislature because it's never
been done before the legislature put some parameters around
I think that in about a year after it's
been implemented they're gonna go back and review it
to see how much it cost how much it
was utilized you know the warts and all and
do what they do with like our large incentive
package which is renew it amend it and think
of that nature but it was it was it
was great well listen to John we're about done
here but I wanna say this in the in
my list can hear it when I was in
Montgomery I looked sideways at a lot of people that came
down the hallway and there were some that I
would duck in the door when I saw him
coming in and because of the things they worked
on the things I stood for never with you
brother and I appreciate appreciate the the service you've
had to the state and I appreciate the fact
that every time I've worked with you it's been
on something that didn't ask me to somehow conflict
with my conservative value so keep doing what you're
doing we appreciate you well I appreciate the opportunity
and be happy to come back anytime all right we'll
take you back on right side radio stay on
the fight bro thank you so much all right we are
taking a break right now the music 's already
playing that mean the patches gotta quit talking so
we will be right back dipper number two coming
up